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The Daisy Powerline 1200 CO2 BB Pistol

Last month I packed up my Beeman P17 and mailed it off to my old pal Sgt. Dave. A week later, this box showed up in my mail:

and inside:

A genuine Daisy Powerline 1200, complete with all the paperwork. The 1200 was made from 1977 to 1966, replacing the CO2 200, which was functionally similar but had (I think) a more stylish appearance. Less plastic and more cast metal. Anyway, I thought I’d load it up and see how it performed.

Like most Daisy CO2 pistols, to insert a CO2 cartridge you remove one of the handgrips via the indent provided for the purpose:


Popping off the grip reveals the CO2 compartment and the trigger springs:

I don’t know of another Daisy, offhand, that shares the 1200’s clever trigger adjustment system: Three springs, of which one, two, or all three may be connected to the trigger. I left the setting alone for now, installed a CO2 cylinder and tightened the thumbscrew until I heard the brief “psst” indicated that the cylinder cap had been punctured. The appearance of frost around the neck of the cylinder indicated that gas had indeed flowed, chilling the neck enough to condense and freeze some moisture from the atmosphere.

Replacing the grip panel, I cocked and fired the gun and heard a reassuring “POP!” Time to actually load and test it.

It turned out I had a box of appropriate BBs on hand:

I inserted a dozen into the loading port:

stood five yards away from my pellet trap, and fired for the record in one-handed bullseye style. The resulting group:

I was aiming at the cross at the top of the photo, so you can see I was shooting a bit low and pulling to the left. My group is about 2″ by 3/4″. I suppose I could do better by shooting two handed, removing one of the trigger springs, and wearing my shooting glasses, which allow me to actually focus on the front sight. Still, not too shabby. It’s a fun plinker and I think I’ll keep it for a while. These are still pretty cheap, though I’ve seen people try to get as much as $80 for them on eBay. You should probably be able to find one for half that on collector’s forums, or for even less, if you shop yard sales.

Scoping the Feinwerkbau LP80

Back in February on 2016 I wrote about my then-new (to me) FWB LP80, the most accurate spring air pistol ever made. Mine arrived with a Beeman-installed scope rail that I removed, leaving holes:

that I filled with setscrews. As I’m now shooting my more recently (April 2017) aquired FWB LP100, the LP80 has been sitting 9in the pistol case untouched. I decided to mount an optic and perhaps use it for NRA Bullseye practice. The problem was finding a set of rings that would engage the recoil lug recess at the rear of the mount. Most rings I tried didn’t work, as the recess is so far to the rear of the rail that there isn’t enough rail behind it to support a ring. But way back in the rear of my scope mount box was a long discontinued B-Square mount I bought back in the 1980s. If you look at the photo at the top of this article, you’ll see that it hangs way over the rear of the scope rail- but it’s still solidly mounted.

The recoil  forces acting on the moving part of this recoilless pistol are actually pretty violent- the receiver only moves a short distance, but it’s very light, and the movement needed to counterbalance the forces exerted by the spring and piston is sharp and rapid. When I tried to mount a scope using rings without a recoil lug, three shots was all it took to dislodge the rings from the rail. I mounted a Millet SP1 for my test, as it’s a pretty rugged sight given that it sell for around $50.

I shot it this way for a few days. While it worked well, and was accurate once zeroed in, it made the pistol a bit top heavy, which I didn’t like. A lightweight mini-sight might be a better choice. I removed the sight and mount, replaced the set screws, and put the LP80 back in the case

Sgt. Dave reviews the Remington 1911 RAC [refurbished]

 

[Our CO2 and BB loving friend Sgt. Dave is back again with another new purchase, and he’s going to tell you all about it]

In contrast with certain other realistic replica airguns (like the Luger I reviewed recently), the customer for a Colt M1911 replica has a bewildering array of selections to choose from.  In what I admit was a less-than-exhaustive search, I counted up no less than six “classic” M1911 replicas.  Adding “custom” or “modernized” versions will more than triple the list — and that’s with criteria limited to realistic-blowback BB-shooters.  Deleting the blowback requirement will add maybe four more, and I even found one pellet-shooter.  (Pellet replicas are really disguised revolvers, inauthentic in principle and function.)

Confronting this vertigo-inducing array myself, and wanting only a wartime-classic replica with realistic blowback and reliable performance (reasonably-authentic disassembly would be nice), I pored over postage-stamp-sized images, unhelpful specification listings, and finally settled on the Tanfoglio Witness as my choice — until PyramydAir got other ideas.  Pyramyd seems to have acquired a large number of used, refurbished Remington 1911 RAC pistols and offered them for maybe two-thirds the new-gun price — in fact, they still do.  But it was a sale price offer at about half retail — with a Plano gun case and 6000 Remington BBs thrown in — that really concentrated my attention, and made me decide to check out My Sponsor’s longstanding advocacy for Buying Used.

Unfortunately, I can’t afford to collect any of the generally-similar offerings from other firms for comparison, so this review will cover only the Remington example.

I’ve purchased refurbished products in other categories before, and have been just about unable to distinguish them from factory-new versions.  But the Remington 1911 RAC I received definitely had that well-broken-in look both inside and out.  After my initial surprise I really grew to like it; there are “John Wayne/War Commemorative” versions out there for which you’re expected to cough up an extra 20-30 bucks to get Limited-Edition fake wear-and-tear, but this gun is the reason I say save your money.  Do it yourself; it’s a lot more realistic and a lot more fun.

The Remington 1911 RAC is finished in “Gunmetal” -colored metallic paint (well-worn, in the case of my refurbished example) and, while a mix of metal and plastic is common in realistic replicas, the use of metal by Remington is extensive.  Castings are zinc, while the .177cal barrel is brass — or at least appears to be.  Magazines are solid zinc castings with extra hardware fastened to them, and are remarkably heavy.  They drop free when the magazine release is pressed; DO NOT let them hit the ground!  Not only can they be damaged by the rather forceful impact, but they can damage your foot if they hit it.  And if they hit the dirt with the top end down, you’ll have contamination issues to deal with.

Externally, the 1911 RAC functions exactly like the firearm, except for spring rates that are all much lighter, so at this point in the narrative, any reader who doesn’t already know how to field-strip an M1911 in the dark is directed to go to YouTube and search “M1911 Disassembly.”  There you will learn all you ever wanted to know.  Returning to the Remington, the thumb-grip safety is fully functional, and the safety lever blocks the trigger and prevents the hammer from being cocked (unless it already is), as well as locking the slide.  The magazine holds the CO2 cartridge and 18 rounds, and locks back the slide after the last BB is expended.  The BB follower latches in place at the bottom of its slot (would that all BB mags were so designed!)…BUT.  To provide an opening to load BBs, you have to press it even farther, to its limit of travel, and hold it there.  Don’t let it snap! — you may launch a BB across the room.  CO2 cartridges are pierced  and held in place by a setscrew with a quarter-inch Allen head.  Quarter-inch Allen keys are supplied with every spare, so they really collect up with your spare magazines.

Disassembly begins as it does with the firearm.  But I was unable to proceed beyond removal of the slide-and-barrel assembly (and Remington’s instructions are of no help) until I figured out how it differs from Mr. Browning’s design.  The slide has a barrel bushing which can be removed the same way as the Original’s, but neither the barrel nor the recoil spring cap will come out.  It wasn’t until I found out how to remove the recoil spring by disconnecting it from the barrel assembly (not unlike that of a Beretta) that the spring cap slipped REARWARD out of the slide; then the barrel assembly, without a recoil spring to stop it, came FORWARD out of the slide.  Any further disassembly would require driving out pins or screws.

At this point, we can see that the Remington’s outer barrel actually has lugs which engage locking notches inside the slide, although this feature does not provide blowback delay; the blowback cylinder assembly has a different way of doing that.  Reassembled, and with the slide locked back, a *slight* barrel tilt can be seen, though this is a clever illusion:  Only the outer barrel tilts relative to the inner, BB barrel, which is fixed in place…oddly enough, by the slide-lock pin, just like the firearm’s barrel pivot.

A loaded magazine may be difficult to latch in place if the slide isn’t locked back.  It may help to load seventeen; I found I couldn’t latch a magazine in place with more than fifteen loaded with the slide closed.  Then release the slide or, if it’s already forward, rack it back John Wayne-style to chamber a round.  Otherwise, your first shot will be blank — or nothing at all; remember, this legendary piece is a single-action weapon, and needs to be cocked.  The hammer actually initiates discharge by whacking on a valve in the top rear of the magazine.

At this point, the cycle follows that of the firearm.  After the blowback piston-and-cylinder drives back the slide, cocking the hammer (while the gas charge, exhausting through the gas tube, simultaneously propels the BB), it returns under recoil-spring tension, a pin under the gas tube shucks a BB off the top of the magazine and the gas tube, acting as the breech, drives it into battery.

And that’s where the disappointment begins.  This gun is not powerful.  I’d say it can outpunch a Daisy Red Ryder, but I won’t credit it with much more oomph.  It is not accurate.  Even from rest I shot big sloppy groups I feel I can outdo with my other replicas.  It may be adequate for a “combat arms”-style course of fire, but it will certainly add to the challenge.  And it isn’t loud!  The clank of the action cycling can easily be heard over the volume of the report.  The action of the famously massive slide provides some sense of recoil, but for training purposes the effect is better for  displacing your sight picture and teaching the need to reacquire it than for teaching weapon control.  Feel of the nicely-knurled trigger is light but indistinct, with constant tension through a very short travel before hammer release.

But for  “combat arms”-style shooting, the Remington is a suitably macho choice — especially since the slide locks back when you run out of ammo.  An 18-round capacity may be inauthentic, but you can always load seven for practice with ammunition discipline and quick reloads.  And the Remington BBs are of gemlike quality and won my enthusiastic approval, in case you were wondering.

The Remington RAC leaves one wondering what the M1911 replicas from other companies have to offer, but provides no ready excuses for ditching it and buying a different one to find out.

Sgt. Dave on The Umarex Legends P.08 Luger

[Regular readers are familiar with Sgt. Dave, a retired Air Force lifer who traded complex radar systems and guided missiles for open sights and CO2 powered pellets and BBs. He’s back this time with a detailed writeup on a gun from one of his favorite categories.]

It wasn’t long after the category of “realistic blowback” BB guns first caught my attention that the Umarex Legends P.08 Luger appeared on the Airgun Websites.  Thanks to promotional videos, I quickly learned that the Legends P.08 not only duplicates the famed “toggle action” of the Original, but even has its barrel assembly spring-mounted on a track and moves rearward during discharge like the Original as well.  So it was that this piece became the latest addition to my carefully-tailored Realistic Blowback Collection, and my Sponsor thought you’d like to read my impressions about it.  Keep following this Blog and you’ll learn about the rest of my collection in due time.

Although replicas of certain other Classics are available from a variety of manufacturers, if you want to pump BBs from a Luger replica with blowback action, Umarex has the only game in town.  (Not at all unlike the firearm, no?)  If you want to shoot pellets from a Luger, keep looking, and good luck.  Umarex offers several Luger models, including one WITHOUT blowback (shop carefully, bargain-hunters beware) and a “WWII Limited Edition” for a premium price, with a pre-worn finish for your convenience.  My experience indicates that you can just carry the standard version around awhile, maybe find a holster for it and practice a lot of quick-draws, and get a much more realistic version of the same effect.  You’ll have more fun and save about 20 bucks doing it yourself.

Like by far the most examples in this category, the model I have is a mix of metal and plastic construction.  Cast-metal parts are zinc, painted black; the .177-cal barrel insert is brass, or at least appears to be.  Manufacturers will often strategically place metal parts where they will give their replicas an all-metal “feel,” but in this respect, the Legends Luger disappoints.  Too much plastic where you’re holding it gives a plastic feel, despite a good heft and a balance reminiscent of the Original — or so I would presume, having never lifted one.  The grip scales are black plastic, which is not at all inauthentic, but they do have a hollow feel.  You could probably replace them, if you could find authentic replacements.  At least they aren’t fake wood; if THOSE grips felt hollow as well, they’d REALLY disappoint. To avoid further disappointment, the strap has a lug for a stock attachment; I may never find out if it works.

In fact, I was a bit surprised to learn that the strap and trigger guard are metal — cast as a single piece with the rest of the receiver — because they don’t feel like it.  They lack that cool metal feel, at least until shooting makes the CO2 cartridge get cold…only then do they feel metallic.  And I was CERTAIN the trigger was plastic, until the first signs of wear exposed a metallic glint… It still feels plastic.

The magazines are made from solid metal castings and really heavy — like maybe a Luger mag fully-loaded with 9mm ammo.  They hold 21 rounds and the CO2 cartridge, which is pierced and held in place by a setscrew with a quarter-inch Allen head.  Quarter-inch Allen keys are supplied with each spare magazine, and can really collect up! — At least you don’t have to worry about losing one.  BBs are loaded by pulling the BB follower all the way down and holding it in place (don’t slip!), to expose a BB-sized hole just above it so BBs can be loaded one at a time.  (It may be best to stop at 20.)  The follower has a flat little knurled grip which would really be nice if it were bigger than a BB.

At this point, my narrative will assume that you know everything there is to know about the actual Luger, because if you don’t you can just enter “Luger” into a YouTube search to learn anything you want, in glorious full-motion color video.  Umarex does not provide takedown instructions, so I researched how to do it on YouTube.  After operating the takedown lever (which Umarex doesn’t identify), removing the little panel behind it and sliding the barrel and toggle assembly forward off its track, differences between the firearm and the replica appear and dissassembly does not proceed the same way.  This is hardly surprising, since a blowback-action replica needs to find a place to install a piston and cylinder to cycle the action, while also being able to dispense with unneeded items like shell extractors and firing pins.  In the Umarex case for example, the toggle assembly can’t be removed by pressing out the pin which holds it in place in the firearm; the pin is a two-part number which has to be hammered out, risking possible damage to the zinc casting.  I have yet to do any disassembly involving removal of pins or screws.  Also, the spring that cycles the toggle isn’t in the handle as it is in the firearm; it’s in the toggle itself, so the curved link connecting it to the spring is unnecessary and nonexistent.

  1. Recoil spring is holding the action open against the spring in the toggle.
  2. Brass inner barrel is visible.
  3. Gas port.
  4. Blowback cylinder.

In other cases, fidelity to the function of the firearm is astonishing.  The chambered-round indicator on the bolt is a separate part pinned in place, even though it doesn’t work or even move.  After finding moving parts I couldn’t identify, I learned that the trigger-release mechanism is IDENTICAL to the one in the firearm — to say nothing of my surprise at the way Luger designed it.  The only detail difference is in the shape of the removable pin that holds a little L-shaped lever in place in the little plate that the takedown lever releases.  The safety works the same way too, which I found out only after wondering what that little parallelogram-thing was that moved up when I operated the lever, and was again surprised that Luger did it that way.

  1. The little plate      
  2. Inside the little plate    
  3. Disassembled

Reassembled, this complex, multilink trigger release is the reason that fans of “that feel of glass breaking” will feel nothing of the sort when shooting the Legends Luger — or with the real firearm either, most likely.  Nothing is felt but trigger-spring tension until the hammer drops — which makes this the time to discuss the Legends Luger action.

Trigger pull actually releases a hammer, even though you can’t see it, and the hammer actually causes weapon discharge — by whacking on a gas valve in the top rear of the magazine.  (If the hammer wasn’t cocked, the gun wouldn’t discharge.)  The gas charge exits a port atop the magazine (just behind the BB stack), which mates with a similar port in the action, where it simultaneously expels the BB and operates a piston that cycles the toggle action.  That cycle is an exact analog of the firearm operation; the ejection port actually opens (even though it’s unnecessary, there’s nothing to eject), and when the toggle comes forward a pin beneath the gas tube (which also functions as the bolt face in the firearm) shucks a BB off the top of the magazine and directs it up a ramp and into battery — just like shucking a 9mm round off the top of a Luger magazine.  This cycle also moves the barrel assembly back on its slide.  The magazine even locks back the toggle when empty!

To reload, you install a loaded magazine and either release the toggle or, if it’s down, rack back the action to chamber a round (and cock the hammer, if it isn’t already).  Loaded magazines often fail to latch in place with the toggle down, so you may want to always load with the action locked back.  (Herr Luger requires you to use an empty magazine to lock it back yourself.)  You get at least two full loads of BBs from a CO2 cartridge; “rapid fire” shooting takes its toll on the number of shots you get after that.  Magazines did not drop free from my gun when when the authentically-located, authentically-operating magazine release was pressed, and  I figured this was by intentional design until they started dropping free during a shooting session.  Evidently some paint needed to be worn away, I thought, but later when the gun cooled down after being sun-warmed, they stopped dropping free again.  You need to watch for this; you do NOT want to let your magazines hit the ground.  Not only is there risk of damage, but if the top end hits the dirt you face contamination issues.  Besides, they’re heavy enough to really hurt if one hits your foot!

Shooting the Legends Luger can also disappoint, if your expectations  include a mystic recreation of The Luger Experience.  Most of the sense of “recoil” in a blowback gun comes from the moving mass of the action cycling, but with the toggle action of the Luger, most of that movement is upward.  It’s an odd feeling.  It isn’t very loud, but at least the report masks the sound of the action working.   Nor is it very powerful; I thought it was doing alright (based on what it did to aluminum cans and mail-order catalogs) until my crude penetration tests showed that my Drozd and Steel Storm could both punch though twice as much barrier material as it took to stop all the Luger’s BBs.  Clearly the need to cycle a realistic action clearly takes its toll on power; dispatching varmints in style by Luger won’t be in my future.  Accuracy won’t add to the Legend of the Luger, either.  Shooting from rest (which I probably don’t do very well) from my customary range of 30 feet, I got a group of about five inches diameter, mostly high and to the left; can’t do anything about placement with fixed sights, cast in place.  But I’ve seen a video review of a different replica in which the expert asserted that target shooting with “action pistols” is best done at a range of 15 feet, and that matches my experience in general so far.

But let’s add some realism to our expectations here.  Start with the admission that for almost all of us (including me!), this is the closest we will ever come to even TOUCHING a real Luger, much less firing even a single round.  The blowback movement displaces your sight picture, forcing you to reacquire it as recoil does on a firearm.  “Rapid-fire” fusillades also get punished at the target, like the real ones do without the specialized training the real ones require.  As for target performance, the best use for guns like this is on a “Combat Arms”-style course of fire, emphasing ammunition discipline, quick reloads, and rapid targeting with solid hits on target — and NOT on innocent bystanders! — rather than chopping out ten-rings at spotting-scope range.  Twenty-one round magazines may lack realism, but for these exercises you can always load eight for more authentic operation.