Scoping the Feinwerkbau LP80

Back in February on 2016 I wrote about my then-new (to me) FWB LP80, the most accurate spring air pistol ever made. Mine arrived with a Beeman-installed scope rail that I removed, leaving holes:

that I filled with setscrews. As I’m now shooting my more recently (April 2017) aquired FWB LP100, the LP80 has been sitting 9in the pistol case untouched. I decided to mount an optic and perhaps use it for NRA Bullseye practice. The problem was finding a set of rings that would engage the recoil lug recess at the rear of the mount. Most rings I tried didn’t work, as the recess is so far to the rear of the rail that there isn’t enough rail behind it to support a ring. But way back in the rear of my scope mount box was a long discontinued B-Square mount I bought back in the 1980s. If you look at the photo at the top of this article, you’ll see that it hangs way over the rear of the scope rail- but it’s still solidly mounted.

The recoil  forces acting on the moving part of this recoilless pistol are actually pretty violent- the receiver only moves a short distance, but it’s very light, and the movement needed to counterbalance the forces exerted by the spring and piston is sharp and rapid. When I tried to mount a scope using rings without a recoil lug, three shots was all it took to dislodge the rings from the rail. I mounted a Millet SP1 for my test, as it’s a pretty rugged sight given that it sell for around $50.

I shot it this way for a few days. While it worked well, and was accurate once zeroed in, it made the pistol a bit top heavy, which I didn’t like. A lightweight mini-sight might be a better choice. I removed the sight and mount, replaced the set screws, and put the LP80 back in the case

Sgt. Dave reviews the Remington 1911 RAC [refurbished]

 

[Our CO2 and BB loving friend Sgt. Dave is back again with another new purchase, and he’s going to tell you all about it]

In contrast with certain other realistic replica airguns (like the Luger I reviewed recently), the customer for a Colt M1911 replica has a bewildering array of selections to choose from.  In what I admit was a less-than-exhaustive search, I counted up no less than six “classic” M1911 replicas.  Adding “custom” or “modernized” versions will more than triple the list — and that’s with criteria limited to realistic-blowback BB-shooters.  Deleting the blowback requirement will add maybe four more, and I even found one pellet-shooter.  (Pellet replicas are really disguised revolvers, inauthentic in principle and function.)

Confronting this vertigo-inducing array myself, and wanting only a wartime-classic replica with realistic blowback and reliable performance (reasonably-authentic disassembly would be nice), I pored over postage-stamp-sized images, unhelpful specification listings, and finally settled on the Tanfoglio Witness as my choice — until PyramydAir got other ideas.  Pyramyd seems to have acquired a large number of used, refurbished Remington 1911 RAC pistols and offered them for maybe two-thirds the new-gun price — in fact, they still do.  But it was a sale price offer at about half retail — with a Plano gun case and 6000 Remington BBs thrown in — that really concentrated my attention, and made me decide to check out My Sponsor’s longstanding advocacy for Buying Used.

Unfortunately, I can’t afford to collect any of the generally-similar offerings from other firms for comparison, so this review will cover only the Remington example.

I’ve purchased refurbished products in other categories before, and have been just about unable to distinguish them from factory-new versions.  But the Remington 1911 RAC I received definitely had that well-broken-in look both inside and out.  After my initial surprise I really grew to like it; there are “John Wayne/War Commemorative” versions out there for which you’re expected to cough up an extra 20-30 bucks to get Limited-Edition fake wear-and-tear, but this gun is the reason I say save your money.  Do it yourself; it’s a lot more realistic and a lot more fun.

The Remington 1911 RAC is finished in “Gunmetal” -colored metallic paint (well-worn, in the case of my refurbished example) and, while a mix of metal and plastic is common in realistic replicas, the use of metal by Remington is extensive.  Castings are zinc, while the .177cal barrel is brass — or at least appears to be.  Magazines are solid zinc castings with extra hardware fastened to them, and are remarkably heavy.  They drop free when the magazine release is pressed; DO NOT let them hit the ground!  Not only can they be damaged by the rather forceful impact, but they can damage your foot if they hit it.  And if they hit the dirt with the top end down, you’ll have contamination issues to deal with.

Externally, the 1911 RAC functions exactly like the firearm, except for spring rates that are all much lighter, so at this point in the narrative, any reader who doesn’t already know how to field-strip an M1911 in the dark is directed to go to YouTube and search “M1911 Disassembly.”  There you will learn all you ever wanted to know.  Returning to the Remington, the thumb-grip safety is fully functional, and the safety lever blocks the trigger and prevents the hammer from being cocked (unless it already is), as well as locking the slide.  The magazine holds the CO2 cartridge and 18 rounds, and locks back the slide after the last BB is expended.  The BB follower latches in place at the bottom of its slot (would that all BB mags were so designed!)…BUT.  To provide an opening to load BBs, you have to press it even farther, to its limit of travel, and hold it there.  Don’t let it snap! — you may launch a BB across the room.  CO2 cartridges are pierced  and held in place by a setscrew with a quarter-inch Allen head.  Quarter-inch Allen keys are supplied with every spare, so they really collect up with your spare magazines.

Disassembly begins as it does with the firearm.  But I was unable to proceed beyond removal of the slide-and-barrel assembly (and Remington’s instructions are of no help) until I figured out how it differs from Mr. Browning’s design.  The slide has a barrel bushing which can be removed the same way as the Original’s, but neither the barrel nor the recoil spring cap will come out.  It wasn’t until I found out how to remove the recoil spring by disconnecting it from the barrel assembly (not unlike that of a Beretta) that the spring cap slipped REARWARD out of the slide; then the barrel assembly, without a recoil spring to stop it, came FORWARD out of the slide.  Any further disassembly would require driving out pins or screws.

At this point, we can see that the Remington’s outer barrel actually has lugs which engage locking notches inside the slide, although this feature does not provide blowback delay; the blowback cylinder assembly has a different way of doing that.  Reassembled, and with the slide locked back, a *slight* barrel tilt can be seen, though this is a clever illusion:  Only the outer barrel tilts relative to the inner, BB barrel, which is fixed in place…oddly enough, by the slide-lock pin, just like the firearm’s barrel pivot.

A loaded magazine may be difficult to latch in place if the slide isn’t locked back.  It may help to load seventeen; I found I couldn’t latch a magazine in place with more than fifteen loaded with the slide closed.  Then release the slide or, if it’s already forward, rack it back John Wayne-style to chamber a round.  Otherwise, your first shot will be blank — or nothing at all; remember, this legendary piece is a single-action weapon, and needs to be cocked.  The hammer actually initiates discharge by whacking on a valve in the top rear of the magazine.

At this point, the cycle follows that of the firearm.  After the blowback piston-and-cylinder drives back the slide, cocking the hammer (while the gas charge, exhausting through the gas tube, simultaneously propels the BB), it returns under recoil-spring tension, a pin under the gas tube shucks a BB off the top of the magazine and the gas tube, acting as the breech, drives it into battery.

And that’s where the disappointment begins.  This gun is not powerful.  I’d say it can outpunch a Daisy Red Ryder, but I won’t credit it with much more oomph.  It is not accurate.  Even from rest I shot big sloppy groups I feel I can outdo with my other replicas.  It may be adequate for a “combat arms”-style course of fire, but it will certainly add to the challenge.  And it isn’t loud!  The clank of the action cycling can easily be heard over the volume of the report.  The action of the famously massive slide provides some sense of recoil, but for training purposes the effect is better for  displacing your sight picture and teaching the need to reacquire it than for teaching weapon control.  Feel of the nicely-knurled trigger is light but indistinct, with constant tension through a very short travel before hammer release.

But for  “combat arms”-style shooting, the Remington is a suitably macho choice — especially since the slide locks back when you run out of ammo.  An 18-round capacity may be inauthentic, but you can always load seven for practice with ammunition discipline and quick reloads.  And the Remington BBs are of gemlike quality and won my enthusiastic approval, in case you were wondering.

The Remington RAC leaves one wondering what the M1911 replicas from other companies have to offer, but provides no ready excuses for ditching it and buying a different one to find out.

The Beeman P17: Best bargain in air pistols?

 

Normally the only air pistols that interest me are match pistols- those capable of making one-hole groups at 10 meters, with triggers that can be set to just a few ounces. But I’ve heard so many good things about the P17 that when I saw it at Amazon for under $33, I decided to bite and see why it had such a strong following.

The P17 is a Beeman-licensed, Chinese manufactured, copy of the Beeman P3, which itself is a rebranded HW40 manufactured by Weihrauch in Germany. The Weirauch gun is all metal gun that sells for around $240. What kind of quality and performance can you get for one seventh of that? I’ve never handled a P3, but I have owned two Weirauch HW45s, which Beeman markets as the P1. They’re excellently made, with all the quality you expect of fine German guns.

The P17, on the other hand, feels like a well made toy. It’s mostly plastic, with a few metal parts- barrel, cylinder, trigger, and sear. I wouldn’t expect it to last as long as a P3, but if decently cared for it should last several years. The pumping system is the same as that found on the FAS 6004 and the Gamo Compact, and the P17 is cocked and loaded the same way as the more expensive guns:

The upper part of the gun is unlatched via what looks like  a hammer at the rear of the gun, and hinged forward. A pellet s inserted at the breech end of the barrel:

and the barrel/arm is hinged back into place, compressing air in the cylinder and cocking the trigger.

This takes a surprisingly high amount of effort, far more than the FAS 6004 or the Gamo Compact. I don’t know if this is because the energy is higher (it shoots around 100fps faster than the other two pistols), or because the cocking geometry is not as efficient, but there it is. It definitely takes an adult to do it. Once cocked, the slide safety is automatically engaged- an excellent feature on a gun designed for beginners, I think, and perhaps a necessary for experienced shooters as well, given the contortions you have to go through to cock it.

The adjustable sights are simple but cleverly designed, using short pieces of “light pipe” plastic to create luminous dots under reasonably bright illumination:

They’re the sort of sights you’d put on a combat gun, not one designed for shooting at paper targets, though, so while they’re very easy to see and quick to acquire, they’re not ideal for paper punching.

The trigger is… well, not wretched, but not very good. It’s light, but it’s very long- probably as a safety feature. You can’t feel the break coming, so there’s no way to stage it. The best technique I found was to get a good target hold while quickly and smoothly pulling straight through.

Shooting two handed, I got the following group at 10 meters with the stock sights:

That’s roughly an inch. I then tried attaching a Millet dot sight that costs twice as much as the gun:

…and shooting one handed, as if I were shooting Bullseye. After a few shots to get the Millet more-or-less on target, I got the following shooting at a standard ISSF Air Pistol 10m target:

That’s actually not bad, considering how poor the trigger is when compared to even a cheap match gun like the Gamo Compact. (The shots outside the black were all sighting shots.)

 

In summary, then, the plusses:

  • Surprisingly accurate
  • Really Cheap
  • Fairly well made
  • High velocity for a single stroke pneumatic
  • You can mount a scope or dot sight
  • Recoilless

And the minuses:

  • Mediocre trigger
  • Sights are wrong for precision shooting

I’d have to say that all things considered it’s an excellent value, a more accurate plinker than anything else in its price range, and a good budget choice for learning basic pistol marksmanship-  especially if you can’t afford anything better.

Feinwerkbau 100 Match Air Pistol

Yes, another 10 meter match air pistol. I’d never fired (or even seen in person) a Feinwekbau 100, 102, or 103, but I’d heard that they’re great guns, the best of the single-stroke pneumatic era. One came up for sale at a fair price, and I’d just sold some expensive toys, so…. this one made it into my collection.

As you can see, functionally it’s not terribly different from the IZH-46m. There’s a large cocking arm underneath that rotates down and around 180 degrees to open. When you reach the fully extended position, the loading gate flips open:

Place a pellet in the loading tray, close the gate, and that o-ringed aluminum bolt pushes the pellet into the  barrel and seals it.

Bring the cocking arm back around and you compress a charge of air. It takes significantly more force to do so than cocking the IZH-46m, something that was dealt with in later versions of this pistol. The model 102 (there was no 101) used two cocking levers that divided the work between them. Easier, but a bit clumsy. The 103 used a longer cocking arm with better geometry to less cocking effort. It was also removable, which made the gun lighter.

The trigger on this gun, like the triggers on just about every other Feinwerkbau, is about as good as you would want. It’s adjustable for length of pull, position, first stage and second stage length and weight, and trigger shoe angle. I was able to get it just where I wanted with just a few adjustments to the position of the trigger, and left everything else alone.

Firing performance is excellent, as you might expect. It’s recoilless, of course, and absolutely free of any vibration or movement on firing. The sights are more of less identical to this eon my LP-80, being adjustable for not only windage and elevation but also for the width of the rear sight notch, something I really appreciate. For some reason the sights were cranked way to one one side and very low when I received it, but after a quick check of the manual to see which way the controls worked I had it on target pretty quickly.

As it points better than my IZH-46 and has a better trigger as well, I decided the Izzy would go and this gun would take its place. If you’re looking for one for yourself, 100s, 102s and 103s in excellent working condition generally  run from $600 to $700. They don’t seem to show up for sale as often as other guns, perhaps because once someone buys one, they tend to hang on to it. Like the Feinwerkbau recoilless spring  guns, you could shoot one of these in competition today without giving up very much to shooters with $1500-2000 PCP guns, although your cocking arm might get a bit tired over a long match.

[Single-Stroke Pneumatic (SSP) air pistols and rifles were an intermediate stage between the complex recoilless spring-powered guns that dominated ISSF competition in the 1970s and today’s modern pre-charged pneumatic guns. With no spring to wear out, and no spring hysteresis, SSPs are more efficient than spring guns and have much less vibration. The very first match SSP was the Walther LP1, which came out in the mid-70s. While it was a very accurate gun, it was harder to cock than the Feinwerkbau and didn’t really challenge it on the firing line. It wasn’t until the LP100 came out in 1988 that the big move to SSPs started. SSPs in turn were replaced by CO2 powered guns, which were less fatiguing to shoot (as there was no cocking effort), but problems with fluctuating gas pressure at different temperatures and altitudes led to CO2 guns being replaced by PCP guns. When it comes to actual firing performance, there’s not a lot of difference between an SSP and a PCP gun.]